"I've seen people say that the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims in that area all lived in relative peace until Israel was created. Why aren't we talking about that?"
--A complete lie, like segregationists who said blacks and whites in the American South lived in peace and harmony before all those outside agitators (in the Middle East, Zionists) disturbed them. The 1921 Tulsa race massacre was a picnic compared to the pogrom-ridden Islamic rule over its Jewish minority for 1400 years.
Here's a sample from this article, should you care to respect historical fact instead of regurgitating Arab propaganda:
The real apartheid is in Muslim countries' treatment of its Christian, Bahai and Jewish minorities, with Jews at the bottom of the minority heap. Under Muslim rule Jews living in Koranically mandated dhimmitude were treated like blacks in the pre-civil rights South.
Listen to this Iranian immigrant Cornell student describe how her mother was called a "dirty Jew" for drinking from the same water fountain as Muslims in Iran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvje2EVbGVY.
Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq all from 10000 to 150000 Jews in 1940. Now their Jewish populations vary from 0 to 50, except for Morocco at 1500. The pro-Nazi Farhud pogrom in Baghdad in 1941 erased any future for Jews in Iraq in the future. It preceded Israeli statehood and created exactly what anti-Zionists said they didn't want: mass emigration to Israel ASAP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoM6fi9AvNY for the ethnic cleansing of Arab states' Jews.
Christian communities in Muslim have been decimated more slowly and less completely, but the trend is the same. Ask any Egyptian Copt. Or read Hamas' proclamations of Islamic supremacy that will prevail in their imagined Palestinian state, and you can easily guess what awaits Palestinian Christians such as Hanan Ashwari - nothing less than the kind of oppressive apartheid that South African blacks lived under, minus the pass system:
"Hamas claims that all faiths can "coexist in peace and quiet with each other" under its unique "wing of Islam." But lest anyone be lulled into believing the promise of this paradise on Earth, Hamas demands as the price of entry full allegiance and unquestioning compliance with its rule: "It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror."
The Jews of Yemen lived under Koranically mandated legal disabillities that made emigration to Israel imperative:
"Under the Zaydi rule, the Jews were considered to be impure and therefore forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim's food. They were obligated to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim's or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by youth, a Jew was not allowed to fight them. In such situations, he had the option of fleeing or seeking intervention by a merciful Muslim passerby.[67]"…In 1922, the government of Yemen, under Yahya Muhammad Hamid ed-Din, re-introduced an ancient Islamic law entitled the "orphans decree". The law dictated that if Jewish boys or girls under the age of 12 were orphaned, they were to be forcibly converted to Islam, their connections to their families and communities were to be severed, and they had to be handed over to Muslim foster families. The rule was based on the law that the prophet Muhammad is "the father of the orphans", and on the fact that the Jews in Yemen were considered "under protection", and the ruler was obligated to care for them.[79] The Jews tried to prevent the conversion of orphans in two main ways, which were by marrying them so the authorities would consider them as adults, or by smuggling them out of the country."
Few of Iran's Jews concluded the same before the overthrow of the Shah brought a rabidly anti-semitic Islamofascist theocracy to power.
As always, projection about apartheid is really a confession by the Muslims who accuse Israel of practicing what they've done as Koranically mandated for 1400 years. Jihadis rely on western useful idiots to cover up a simple fact: the legal subordination of non-Muslims (dhimmis) in the Muslim world is religiously mandated and should be taken literally as well as seriously. In the secular West we have a multi-culti driven block against taking literally Muslims motivated by Koranic mandates. Here's a Moroccan example of an execution for apostasy in 1834, painted in 1860:
"The compendium of anti-Semitic Muslim texts about Jews in Islamic Arab lands assembled by Andrew G. Bostom, a professor of medicine with a dark hobby, kicks off, unusually, with an explanation of the painting reproduced on the dust jacket. It is by Alfred Dehodencq, from 1860, and it portrays a group of Muslims, one of them brandishing a scimitar, handling roughly by her hair a kneeling dark-eyed damsel, her hands tied behind her back. The group, on a raised platform, is surrounded by an apparently enthusiastic mob. The scene is Fez, in Morocco, in 1834. The girl is named Sol Hachuel. She is seventeen years old, and she is about to be beheaded. She was accused of secretly adhering to her Jewish faith after converting to Islam - a charge tantamount to apostasy (still punishable by death in most Arab lands). Hachuel denied that she had ever converted. The governor of Tangier, Arbi Esudio, had accused her of "having provoked the anger of the Prophet." The Sultan agreed and pronounced the death sentence. She went bravely, reiterating her Jewishness and refusing to recant, with "Shema Yisrael," the Judaic profession of faith, on her lips."
Without removing those blinders you have no understanding of what's hiding in plain sight: this was a Koranically-mandated lynching, typical of Islam's 1400 years of theocratic apartheid in which secular state was an oxymoron .
"In the lands stretching from Persia to Spain and Morocco, Jews (and Christians) were always second-class subjects, humiliated and discriminated against, often oppressed and persecuted, sometimes forcibly converted or slaughtered. There are almost no substantial Jewish or Christian minorities (the Copts of Egypt and the Christians/ animists of southern Sudan are exceptions) left in the Arab world today; and the few remaining Christians in Iraq and Palestine are rapidly fleeing westward. (Note the recent murder of the Arab owner of a Christian bookshop in Gaza.). The story peddled by latter-day Arab propagandists (and reinforced by some Jewish scholars, who tended in decades past, sometimes for apologetic reasons of their own, to highlight the medieval "Golden Age" of Islamic Spanish Jewry) - that the Jewish minorities in the Muslim Arab countries before the advent of Zionism enjoyed a pleasant fraternal existence among the majority populations - has often been trotted out for the benefit of ignorant Westerners, to illustrate Muslim Arab tolerance of minorities and, politically, to promote plans for a multi-ethnic, one-state solution for Israel/ Palestine. It also has taken hold among Western intellectuals."
But they need only read the Quran to see how this is as much of a lie as white claims of southern racial harmony before all those "outside agitators" (read Zionists for Palestine) and the civil rights movement:
"the Qur'an designates the Jews a "base" people and "killers of prophets" (harking back to the Christian charge of Christ-killing). The full verse (2:61) reads: "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them, and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully." They are also said to be usurious. The full verse (4:160–161) reads: "And for the evildoing of the Jews … and for their taking usury … and for their consuming people's wealth under false pretenses we have prepared for the unbelievers among them [i.e., those not converted to Islam] a painful punishment." Elsewhere (5:63–64) the Qur'an states, "They hasten to spread corruption throughout the earth, but Allah does not love corrupters!" and instructs (5:51): "Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends." And it refers (5:60) to Allah's punitive transformation of the Jews into "apes and pigs" (the distant theological basis for Hamas's current designation of the Jews as "sons of apes and pigs").
Without reading this and taking literally the religiously mandated motives of the West Bank and Gazan Arabs, you have no idea what you're looking at when you hear and see them respond to a simple question: "does free Palestine mean destroy Israel?" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5ocDyVaMt8
Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005 and has no claims on it. Israel traded land for peace, forcibly removing 7000 settlers with thriving greenhouses, and got no peace. Gazans trashed $14m of greenhouses donated to them.
The Egyptians, who occupied Gaza from 1948-67, don't want it either. There was a ceasefire in place on October 6 and Hamas broke it with the biggest mass murder of Jews since the Nazi death marches to nowhere in May 1945. So who escalated? This is an ideology--Islamist fascism--problem, not a psychobabbly relationship problem. Your psychotherapy skill set has no more place here than in Tokyo or Berlin in 1945 or Richmond in 1865.
% of West Bank Arabs who accept a two state solution: 3% in surveys.
% of Israelis who accept a two state solution: 45%.
Watch Corey Gil-Shuster's interviews in Ramallah.
Who are the "Palestinians"? Ask Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat:
Ask PLO commander Zuher Mohsen, 1977:
"Mohsen himself stated that there were "no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons"
Where do the "Palestinians" come from: Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, the Arabian peninsula, attracted by the economic boom created by Jewish investment according to numerous testimonies from sources as varied as British mandate officers, the Damascus newspaper Al Ayam, Transjordan King Abdullah, French officials in Syria:
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From the French governor of the Hauran in Syria: 35000 people left for Palestine in 1933:
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The British had already given 70% of mandatory Palestine to the Arabs, calling it Transjordan. Then UN partition gave Jews 56% of the remaining 30%, which = 16.8%. After 5 Arab armies invaded Israel in May 1948 the Jews had 70% of 30%, which = 21% of mandatory Palestine. After that war there were 160000 Arab citizens of Israel. Now there are 1.6m, 10x more, and they make up 1/2 of Israel's doctors and pharmacists and have a judge on the supreme court who sent a former PM to jail (Ehud Olmert). Number of Jews in Arab states: nearly zero (except for 1500 in Morocco). So who's better at co-existence?
From 1948-67 Jordan and Egypt occupied the West Bank and Gaza and didn't give the so-called "Palestinians" a state. So who's responsible for their statelessness?
REMEMBER —> The partition plan did not mention a Palestinian nationality or a State called Palestine but rather an Arab State IN Palestine! That is because an Arab Palestine State NEVER existed and was NEVER occupied! IMAGINE IF: The Arabs would not have attacked Israel in 48! The West Bank, Gaza and the Golan would be in Arab hands, no settlements would exist, the area would be a blossoming oasis and an example of inter-religion peace.
BUT THE ARABS CHOSE WAR INSTEAD
